RTP (Rádio e Televisão de Portugal) ne-a facut o surpriza la pranz, ieri, 20 iulie, de Sfantul Ilie – Ziua Fortelor Aeriene, incluzand in jurnalul sau un scurt reportaj (urmariti linkul) despre pilotii si personalul navigant si de mentenanta ai RoAF, aflati la Baza Nº5 Monte Real.
Obrigado pentru semnalare, Richard!
Daca am avea o traducere… ar fi interesant sa vedem ce zic portughezii
Ce bine e cand stii una doua din ciorba latina 🙂
Defapt daca asculti cu atentie se intelege buna parte
Exact! 🙂 Cred ca asa este si la slavi sau scandinavi!
Ciorba latina…Pai nu trancaneau unii ca nu avem treaba cu latina???
eeeee…ba da. Ei spuneau ca defapt latina se trage din vechia limba a dacilor/tracilor. Adica noi nu ne-am latinizat odata cu romanii, vorbeam defapt o limba similara latinei. Cum ca de aici a plecat limba odata cu miscarea populatiilor prin Europa e.t.c. Numai ca istoria au scris-o invingatorii…idem si numele limbii! Aacum Dumnezeu stie! 🙂
@ce spune Cezar 🙂
hai sa consideram latina ca cea mai veche varianta a ce se vorbea pe la noi, ramasa 🙂
ideea e ca cica latina si ce se vorbea la noi erau un fel de ce sunt limbile cu origini latine de azi, adica se trageau ele insasi din ceva mai vechi
Interesante pod-urile. Par sa aiba 4 PRND si 4-6 bombe mici.
Fain reportaj, imi plac mult aeronavele F-16. Frumos din partea portughezilor c-au dat reportajul de Ziua FAR. Sa speram ca-l vor prelua si cei de la PRO PATRIA.
Cu vastele mele cunostinte de portugheza 😉 am inteles ca, dupa livrare, o echipa portugheza se va deplasa in Ro pentru a asista, pentru perioada de inceput, la operarea si deservirea avioanelor.
„Training on the job” …
Nu trebuia sa ajungem in situatia asta, problema putea fi rezolvata in anii 2008, direct cu avioane noi. Sa multumim cui stim noi!
Pe de alta parte, din tot ce am citit, cred ca F16 a fost alegerea cea mai buna iar deal-ul cu portughezii, pe masura ce trece timpul, imi pare ca a fost chiar ok.
N-am observat ca vreunul din avioanele din clip sa fi fost cu cocarde tricolore, toate aveau insemne portugheze. Spun asta pentru ca s-a vorbit in draci despre faptul ca ne antrenam exclusiv cu avioanele noastre. Tind sa am mai multa incredere in presa portugheza decat in cea autohtona…
Auzii ca se vorbeste ca negocierile pentru a 2-a escadrila sunt avansate. As pune un pariu (sau o dorinta): cred ca vor fi din rezerva SUA si tot portughezii se vor ocupa de updatarea lor. Mi se pare ca alea care’s prin Europa sunt hartanite rau. Vom vedea! 🙂
Oricum, sper sa avem ce vedea la BIAS 2016! 🙂
P.S. Sper ca a 3-a escadrila sa fie cu aeronave noi, preferabil tot F16, oricum de F35 puteti sa uitati…
La 2.31 arata unul cu aripile demontate. E drept ca are tot steagul portughez da cred ca e unul din ale noastre la resapat …
Cel de care zici tu are no. 15124, conform informatiilor pe care le-am gasit eu acela a ramas la portughezi. Cele vandute noua ar fi astea din linkul asta: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/serials-and-inventory/airforce/FAR/
Sunt doar cele 9 de la portughezi, pentru cele 3 de la americani nu se stie ce si cum.
Asta ar fi al nostru, conform listei de mai sus: http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album37/album24/15125_002 🙂 Neresapat, ce-i drept… 🙂
La min 1:40 se vede numarul pe deriva 15138
http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/airframe-profile/1497/
deci si dublele sunt tot de la portughezi
si se antreneaza deja pe ale noastre
@Eroul Bula. Este dispersorul de submunitii SUU-20 PRACTICE -4 PRND HYDRA (70 mm)+4/6 bombe mici, de 2,30/11,30 kg de tip MK 76/106 sau BDU-33/48.
si pod-urile astea se folosesc doar pentru antrenament? nu de alta, dar nu le-am mai vazut pana acum si nu stiu daca au fost folosite in lupta…si daca da, F-16 ale noastre o sa aiba asa ceva?
@vioniribu. Se folosesc si pentru antrenament. Si alte natiuni utilizatoare de F-16 le au,spre exemplu danezii. Nu cred ca noi il vom avea,insa stiu ca se lucreaza la modernizarea Rachetei Hydra,aceasta urmand sa aiba ghidaj laser. Ghidajul laser s-ar aplica usor rachetelor aflate in uz.
multumesc pentru lamuriri…imi place ideea si cred ca ar merita cumparat
am vazut ca are aproximativ 120-130 de kg, deci ar putea fi integrat si pe soim care tinea parca 250kg pe fiecare pilon
off topic, EATT 2015 – un fel de Red Flag pentru avioane militare cargo, e si Spartanul nostru 2706 pe acolo:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.948591221850597.1073741886.237416259634767&type=3
A observat ca in afara de aeronava romaneasca, toate au un cablu tras de la coada pana undeva deasupra cockpitului, pentru noi nu e necesar un cablu de genul ala?
Ar fi frumos sa fie vopsite si aernavele noastre de transport asa cum sunt cele ale germanilor.
Nu. Aia e sarma de intins rufe 🙂 )))
Alea cu cablu sunt in general C-130 plus un C-235 la cum vad eu acolo, daca observi mai e un Spartan tot asa fara cablu si chiar si un Hercules, desi majoritatea au. Cablul ala e(ra) folosit la transmiterea comenzilor in general la avioanele mai vechi sau mai mari turboprop, Spartan e ultimul racnet iar comenzile hidraulice se transmit probabil in interiorul fuselajului, fara a le expune in afara.
Doamne in ce hal arata C-235-le asta german 🙂
https://www.facebook.com/sayandaphoto/photos/a.948591221850597.1073741886.237416259634767/951462851563434/?type=3&theater
Nu-i cablu de comanda ci antena HF.
Pare a fi Transall. E normal sa arate asa, la cati ani are.
Ms de info.
Aveti dreptate, e Transall.
NU e un cablu.
E antena de HF ( unde scurte).
Ai nostrii vad ca zboara tot pe avioanele portughezilor, sa intelegem ca ale noastre sunt tot la upgradat ? Abia astept sa vad unul cu insemnele noastre .
Frumos din partea portughezilor .
Se numeste Customercare! 🙂
Simpatic reportaj. Si destul de lung pentru un „telejurnal”.
Avioanele aste o sa fie si vopsite/lustruite putin sau sau o sa schimbe doar cocardele si o sa arate la fel de uzate?
Tocmai dadura un reportaj pe Digi 24 la emisiunea „Romania 24” de la ora 12:00 (de fapt pe la 13:20 in cadrul ei) despre piloti, aparate etc. de la Monte Real. Alea 6 deja modernizate ale noastre pe care zboara ai nostri poarta in continuare cocardele portugheze.
Poze de la vizita lui Decepticon in 20-21 iulie la Monte Real si Porto – Comandamentul Fortelor Terestre: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.715255631934855.1073742070.263553317105091&type=3
http://m.digi24.ro/Stiri/Digi24/Special/Reportaj/REPORTAJ+Romanii+care+vor+pilota+avioanele+F-16+se+antreneaza+in
Interesant e ca se spune in reportaj ca negocierilw pt a doua escadrila sunt purtate cu state NATO
Lista scurta pt F 16 inseamna Danemarca, Olanda, Norvegia, Grecia, Belgia si Turcia. Nu am pus la socoteala SUA care ar avea un cuvant de spus in oricare dintre variantele de achizitie… si nici Portugalia ca astia nu mai au de unde. .
What follows is a translation of the news report video. My apologies for the quite literal translation and any mistakes.
Video title: Romanian pilots come to Portugal to learn how to operate aircraft sold last year
Video description: Portugal sold F-16 planes to Romania. As so, many Romanian pilots will be in Portugal for two years to receive training.
The Romanian military personnel will be at Monte Real Air Base for the near future.
Video report:
Card title: F-16 sold to Romania
Card content: Sales contract foresees, for the first time, the training of Romanian military personnel
[V.O.]
It’s like flying an F-16 but without any risks. The flight simulator is an important part of the pilots’ training.
[Ten. Colonel Francisco Dionísio]
The simulator has a level of exceptional accuracy. It’s 100% identical to the behavior of the plane and allows the pilot to become familiar with the emergency procedures while in a safe situation without being in a real flight.
Card title: F-16 sold to Romania
Card content: 90 Romanian military personnel will receive training at Air Base No. 5 for four years.
[V.O.]
The pilot that is in the simulator is of Romanian nationality, which is part of a group of 9 [pilots] that will receive training for 2 years at Air Base No. 5, in Monte Real.
Major Mihaita-Valeriu has a long career but now learns to fly a F-16. Quite different from the MiG-21 that the Romanian Air Force currently operates.
[Interview in English, subtitled]
Card title: F-16 sold to Romania
Card title: Romanian pilots and technicians come to learn how to operate the aircraft sold last year.
[V.O.]
In four years, it will be almost 90, but the first Romanian military personnel have already been in Portugal for nine months. They [their training] meet part of the contract for the sale of the F-16 to Romania signed in September of 2013. A contract for the transfer of military equipment that also includes, for the first time, the training of foreign military personnel.
[Coronel Alberto Francisco]
This contract and the negotiations that we did with Romanian Air Force were with the purpose of not only providing the sale of the airplanes, – because there’s a lot of airplanes that other countries have to sell, – but [also] a capability that we can transmit to the Romanian Air Force. And in that sense that’s what is [new/pioneering]* in what we are doing.
(*New and pioneering for the Portuguese Air Force.)
Card title: F-16 sold to Romania
Card content: Pilot and technician’s training is being provided by the [Portuguese] military personnel of Air Base No. 5.
[V.O.]
A job that demands a lot of the military personnel of Monte Real Air Base. The training plan of the Romanian personnel was prepared in a way as to not compromise the normal operational necessities and obligations of the base.
There’s pilots and technicians in training and there’s the airplanes. The twelve F-16 that Portugal sold to Romania are being modernized and prepared.
[Alferes Ruben Évora]
The transformation program that the Romanian aircraft are receiving here is both structural and in terms of software.
[V.O.]
The modification of the aircraft absorbs the biggest part of the payment that Romania is going to pay. Of the 186 million euros of the sale, more than 120 are for the upgrade of the aircraft.
[Coronel Alberto Francisco]
[The upgrade of the aircraft is to] put them at an operational level, at which they weren’t, and all of that, in addition to costing a lot of money, obviously, requires a lot of time to prepare them. We are doing everything here at the air base. If we had contracted companies, then there wouldn’t be an [encaixe]*. Of that I’m sure.
(*encaixe: can be translated as profit or the simple entry of money.)
[V.O.]
The Portuguese and Romanian military personnel work in mixed teams. Telling them apart is only the color of the uniform. The Romanian one is blue.
[Interview in English, subtitled]
[Sargento-Ajudante João Carvalho]
Basically, we’re passing all the training relatively to the knowledge of the aircraft in terms of armament, [and] the knowledge of the weapons that we use on the F-16. There exists a variety of air-to-air or air-to-ground weapons, besides the internal cannon of the F-16. And all of those weapons have some details that have to be known by those that work with them.
[Interview in English, subtitled]
[V.O.]
The Romanian Air Force currently flies the MiG-21, an aircraft of the Soviet era which life is coming to an end.
[Interview in English, subtitled]
[Ten. Coronel Afonso Gaiolas]
It’s a very big technological leap, both in the pure operations of the aircraft – pure flight of the aircraft -, but also in terms of tactical deployment. In the end it’s those abilities that take a long of time, just like a Portuguese pilot takes time, to learn those capabilities.
[V.O.]
Romania takes advantage of the 20 years of experience that the Portuguese Air Force has in operating the F-16. And the quick acquirement of the knowledge and capabilities was decisive for Romania to opt for the Portuguese aircraft.
But this transfer of knowledge follows strict rules that don’t compromise the national security.
[Ten. Coronel Afonso Gaiolas]
It’s in a strict „field” that this transfer of information is happening. Inside the standardization, – both in terms of doctrine concepts and tactical deployment, – that we are, between NATO partners, sharing information. Knowing that there’s something only national and that will be kept in the national sphere.
[V.O.]
The first six aircraft will be delivered in September 2016. The last three will land on Romanian territory a year later. Until then 90 Romanian military personnel will undergo training in Portugal.
But the cooperation between the two countries doesn’t end there. A Portuguese team will go to Romania for two years to follow up the beginning of the F-16 operations.
The sale of the Portuguese airplanes will allow an entry of little more than 45 million euros for the State coffers, but it’s also a recognition of the capability and competence of the military personnel of the Portuguese Air Force.
Video reports ends.
Thank you Richard!